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Rescue Circles Part 51 A person is conscious, even when in when in a coma. 9/11 aftermath: spirit

By:Richard Rowley
Date: Mon,18 Jul 2011
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Roger says he was conscious when in a coma. 9/11 aftermath: spirit rescues from Iraq.

Not long after the end of World War II Helen Greaves' husband Roger was killed on his ship when a cable broke, and bricks and rubble struck his head. He fell unconscious, and never recovered consciousness. Their son Michael flew to the hospital to be at his side. The doctors said he had a fifty-fifty chance of recovering, but he died within a day or so of a cerebral haemorrhage.

He soon came through soon afterwards to give Helen the combination of his dispatch box, a number he had kept to himself. With the number Helen was able to open the box, which contained his will and other important documents. Then, a little later, he started lengthier communications, one of which we excerpted in the previous post. On the next occasion, he told her what it felt like to be in a coma, then to die:

"It sure is an odd experience, dying. You know, I heard every word that interne said to Mike in the hospital. I don't remember anything after that cable broke and the load hit my head. But I got to know somehow, that I was in hospital. I knew Mike was sitting beside the bed. I was in a litle room by myself. You knew about that? [Michael had told Helen, his mother, briefly. But he had stressed that Roger never regained consciousness. How could Roger have known, then?]

"The sister came and talked to Mike. Comfortable old body she was, and so nice to the kid. He was badly shaken, you know. Didn't let you see it, after, but I could see how it was with him. Presently she went away. Mike was alone with me. I tried to talk to him, Lena. Gosh, I tried so hard! I couldn't make my lips move or anything. Thought I was paralysed, and that put the wind up! You know, it was the queerest feeling. I was there, and I wasn't there, if you understand what I mean. I didn't seem to be on the bad at all. I wasn't even inside my body. I could see my body on the bed. I was lying up above it. A sort of hovering helicopter. I couldn't move. I couldn't go away from that body, and I couldn't get back into it. The oddest sensation. I puzzled about it. Worried too, because I thought I'd lost the secret of getting back. I'd done this sort of thing before in dreams. Only I'd always hopped back into my body when I woke
up. Now I couldn't seem to wake up. But worse than that I could still hear and see, though not, somehow, with my eyes. And I couldn't speak! That got me, Lena. I did want to talk to Mike.

"The interne was a young fellow, one of the house doctors. Had only been graduated a few months. Wore a white coat and looked very young. He sat down and talked to Mike for a long time. They compared notes. I heard every word of that conversation. Mike's a good kid, Lena! Mike said something about me. It made me proud. You know, it was queer, eavesdropping. But I could feel his affection. It helped a lot. I knew you couldn't be there (Helen was in England). But I was glad of Mike, and so happy I heard what he said, too. He said, 'It's a damn shame! My old man's been all over the world and through two world wars at sea without a scratch! And now a cable breaks and he's hit like this. A damn shame, that's what it is!' And Mike cried a bit. There were tears in his eyes. That boy was fond of me. It helps to know your boy respects you. You tell him I told you about this. Thank him for staying with me. You can say how much good it did me.
He's a good boy. What am I doing now? I'm stronger. Been having a kind of a rest."

When Helen told Michael what the spirit of his father had said, how he had heard every word that Michael had said in the hospital room, he could hardly believe it at first. "But Mother, he was unconscious!" Medical training was asserting authority and doubt, Helen replied, "Father was dying, dear. Your father was outside of his body. He was just leaving it. He could neither move nor speak. But he could hear and see, Michael. He heard what you said. Listen, dear. Father told me the exact words you used. This is what he said you told that interne: 'It's a damn shame. My old man's been through two world wars and he's travelled all over the world too. And now an accident to a cable and he's hit like this. A damn shame, that's what it is'"

Michael was struck dumb for what seemed an age, then he said "I DID say exactly that, Mother." Helen explained to Michael that his father had communicated to her a great deal about the time in the hospital, when Michael had helped him with love and respect as he sat beside him when he was in the coma. "He tried to talk to you. He wanted to say how proud he was of you. He asked me to tell you this." Michael thought about this and then said "Dad couldn't speak. If what you say is true, then he could hear me. And he couldn't speak to me! Poor Dad! I don't doubt what you have told me, Mother. I can't. It's so true of what happened. I'd like to study these things myself, but I have my way to make in the world first. But I'm glad that Dad is all right. And that he knew about those hour in the hospital."

Reviewed from "The Dissolving Veil" by Helen Greaves. Neville Spearman, London. 1967.

Here are some more accounts of rescue work, including spirits from Iraq.

On 27th March, 2003, an Iraqi lady same through during the rescue work of a group in England. She was in great distress. She was a mother, who, at first, could only weep and rock the medium to and fro in grief. She and her children had passed in the bombing. This is a transcript of the recording made at the time.

Group (one or another of the group members, taking turns to speak to the spirit, who speaks through the entranced medium): ..... Can we help you?

Spirit: .....(Weeping) My baby! My baby!

Group: ..... We may be able to help you. We understand your sorrow.

Spirit: ..... The noise! The flames! (She weeps again).

Group: ..... Tell us what happened.

Spirit: .. The whole sky lit up!

Group: .. Did you know, my dear, that you have died and passed over? (She weeps but does not answer). You've passed over into a new world and it can be a beautiful world, and we are here to help you, and tell you what to do.

Spirit: .. I can't find her. A baby girl and a boy of four. A terrible noise and fire.

Group: .. It's hard for you to understand, but you have passed over to a world which can be heavenly - like a Paradise. In a little while you may be able to see your children again. What we want to do is to get someone to come and help you and explain how you can see your children again. If you listen to me and try to do what we say it will make you happier. We want you to think of anyone that you know that has died that you would like to come and talk to you. You could talk to them and explain your troubles. Who would you like to come?

Spirit: .. My parents.

Group: .. I think we can get them to come. Would you like to see your mother again?

Spirit: .. Yes!

Group: .. Think about your mother and make a big wish, 'Please come and help me!' Now we'll wait and see what happens. (A pause).

Spirt: .. They're coming! I'm calmer now!

Group: .. Is your mother there? Tell us if she speaks to you. Is it getting lighter?

Spirit: .. Yes! There's a group of people here now.

Group: .. Go! You can go to them.

Spirit: .. They've got my baby!

Group: .. Go forward and take your baby! (She still weeps quietly and is given tissues to wipe her (the medium's) eyes).

Group: .. Is your mother there?

Spirit: .. Yes! She's with a group of people and she's got my boy - we are all together now.

Group: .. Wonderful!

Spirit: .. Thank you!

Group: .. It is our pleasure, my dear.

Spirit: .. Goodbye!


On the same date as the above, an Iraqi man spoke to us who had apparently been shot by his own side.


Group: .. Welcome friend. Can you hear my words? We may be able to help you.
Spirit: .. I hear your words but I don't know if I can trust them.

Group: We are a group of friends who help people who are distressed and we have helped many. Do you know that you have died?

Spirit: .. That is what I believe.

Group: .. That is the truth - you have passed over - and we want to find somebody to come and help you, advise you and take you to a beautiful place. There is a wonderful place for you but you need some help. Can you think of anybody who you would like to come?

Spirit: .. The one I am thinking of, I would not like to trust his word again. It is very difficult. Do you realize I have only just come to this side of life?

Group: .. We understand, now that you tell us. It is rather a shock.

Spirit: .. It is rather a shock as you say when one gets it in the back from your own people, just because one has spoken one's mind.

Group: .. We understand.

Spirit: .. Pointless in having war. Absolute waste of people - your people - my people. Absolute waste!

Croup: .. We agree, but did you know that nobody really dies? They just go into a new world.

Spirit: .. I am still waiting for that world to show itself.

Group: .. Perhaps you have heard of Paradise in the Koran. Now we've got to get you into a better place than you are in now. Who can you think of to help you?

Spirit: .. The only one I could trust would be my Grandmother. She has been in this world for some time.

Group: .. Now we want you to make a big wish to see your Grandmother, then we'll wait and see who comes! Tell us if anyone comes! (Pause). Can you see anyone coming?

Spirit: .. Yes!

Group: .. Are they talking to you?

Spirit: .. Oh, yes!

Group: .. Will you go with them?

Spirit: .. Yes! I will go with my Grandmother but first I would like to apologise to your friend (the medium) in the upset he has felt from me.

Group: .. We will tell him. He will know.

Spirit: .. This war of your countries is not a good war, no wars are good, but I think it is a necessity. I know I should not be saying ill of my country, but this man (Saddam Hussein) has a twisted mind. He is a powerful man who lives on the hurt of others. So now I will go with my Grandmother. Thank you for your help.

Group: .. It is our pleasure.

Spirit .. There may be a few more who pass in this war who would like your help as well.

Group: .. You could help to bring them here perhaps?

Spirit: .. It is rather early for me. I am sure there are those in the world of spirit who are waiting for them to realize where they are, and what has happened to them. I myself have had a little of your beliefs tought to me, and I believe it is that which has helped me to come to you.

Group: .. Thank you - that is interesting.

Spirit: .. Thank you again!

Group: .. Goodbye.

Extracts courtesy of Michael Evans, from his book "Dead Rescue" Con-Psy Publications, 2007. This is a very useful and comprehensive handbook for all who are involved in rescue and release wrk of any kind.

When spirits come by independent direct voice, they often come through speaking their own (foreign) languages, especially if there are sitters from their country who speak the language. Even when an entranced medium is speaking, foreign languages may still be spoken, or they may speak in English. Michael Evans remarks about this: "The spirits tell us that earthly language seems very clumsy and inadequate, as they get used to life in the Spirit World. This is because there they usually communicate by thoughts directly, which is why deception is impossible there, as each speaker knows what the other is thinking - not just what they are saying. ....[so] spirits pass their thoughts to the unconscious minds of the mediums, who turn them into English in the same way that they turn their own thoughts into English, and therefore it all happens quite easily."

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